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« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2012, 04:39:42 am »

Black Sabbath to perform on 19 May in Birmingham

http://www.entertainment-focus.com/news/black-sabbath-announce-birmingham-homecoming-show
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« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2012, 11:49:25 am »

Bill still a no-show..

oh well  hopefully things will work out between them..
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« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2012, 10:38:28 pm »

Tickets for Sabbath in the UK = £145.00 = NZ $300.00
Ouch
Add airfares $2000 = expensive concert!
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« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2012, 12:12:25 pm »

wow......that is pricey
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« Reply #19 on: May 11, 2012, 01:21:54 am »

New best of Black Sabbath album out soon

http://www.nme.com/news/black-sabbath/63705
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« Reply #20 on: May 11, 2012, 10:49:14 am »

I like the song list,but I think they could have used ''other songs''...most of these are ''fan Favorites'' I guess..me,personally I  am more in to songs like ''into the void'' ''hand of doom'' stuff like that...this is pretty much the same song list they use for every Sabbath greatest hits album ..still going to buy it ,hell you never know they might have re-masterd those classics and they prolly going to sound really good...
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« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2012, 01:27:06 pm »

got all that on original vinyl and cd unless it comes with a dvd probly won't get this one....waitin on sabbath tour 2013 HuhHuhHuh?? Roll Eyes Cool Cool Cool
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« Reply #22 on: May 13, 2012, 08:24:16 pm »

DANZIG TOUR OR WEEP!!!!
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« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2012, 08:03:16 am »

DANZIG TOUR OR WEEP!!!!
squirt it all over white bread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Cool Cool Cool
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« Reply #24 on: May 16, 2012, 04:04:39 am »

Dear Sabbath Fans and Fellow Musicians,

I sincerely regret to inform you that after a final effort to participate in the upcoming Sabbath shows a failure to agree has continued. At this time I have to inform you that I won’t be playing with Black Sabbath at the Birmingham gig dated May 19th, 2012, nor will I be playing at Download on June 10th, 2012. Further, I will not be playing at Lollapalooza on August 3, 2012.

It is with a very sad heart that I bring you this news. I am sincerely passionate in my desire to play with the band, and I’m very, very sorry that it’s fallen to this. This statement is even more painstaking to write, as I was particularly excited to play alongside Tony Iommi after the recent treatments he underwent. I wanted that to become a reality.

To express my thoughts about you, the Sabbath fans, I’m going to speak to you all through an experience my brother James had recently. My brother Jimmy lives in the U.K. When speaking with him a couple of days ago, he told me that an acquaintance had stopped him on the street and confronted him, “is your brother playing Birmingham? What’s going on? I waited in line with my son and paid x amount for the concert tickets.”

The man’s son is a young drummer. He’s going to see Sabbath, and he wants to see Bill Ward play drums. Upon hearing this news, I felt horrible. I couldn’t help feeling some resentment towards the failure to reach an agreement, the failure to remember where we came from, the failure to be as brothers, as we once were. To be clear, I’m not blaming the other guys or finding any faults with them. I would think it can’t be easy for them either, but this situation is just really sad. It’s sad that it’s come to this. “This” will surely leave a mark and be unwelcome to the memory. Hopefully “this” will heal and pass in time.

My heart sank when Jimmy told me about this young boy. I know this boy is going to be disappointed, and I don’t know how to amend it, other than to put my arms around the boy and tell him I love him. Sabbath fans have a voice and a face, to me you’re human, you have families and despair. You have ferocity and emotions and graciousness, and at this moment as far as I’m concerned you are also that young boy in England. I don’t know how to amend my part in these failings other than to put my arms around you and say I love you and let you know I’m very, very sorry.

Throughout this process, which began over a year ago, I have had to stand up for myself time and time again. I have had to stand up for myself and in doing so realize my actions indirectly, although unintentionally, are upsetting and hurting a lot of you. I know in my heart I couldn’t have done these concerts by agreeing the terms suggested. I made a solemn vow after the last European and Ozzfest concerts that I would never again enter into what was, in my opinion, a totally unsatisfactory contract. I have to stand for something, and as painful as it is, I’m doing it.

Earlier in April 2012, I’d been asked to participate “minimally” in the Download festival. I believe I’d been offered no more than three songs to play while another drummer presumably played the rest of the show with Black Sabbath. I was not willing to participate in that offer. I was not prepared to watch another drummer play a Sabbath set, while I was to play only three songs.

I found out about the Birmingham gig on Monday, April 30 through the Internet ad. I was taken aback somewhat by the date, and the fact it was Birmingham. Knowing the “signable” contract negotiations were at best in shreds, I was upset by the idea that the band was going to play Birmingham and play it assumedly without me. I had no prior knowledge of the date and location, and I felt totally excluded. We contacted the representative for Black Sabbath to see if something could be worked out. In the meantime my drum crew and I, along with our US endorsers, finished all the necessary planning for a swift departure to the UK. There wasn’t a whole lot to complete; we’d all been on standby more or less since mid-January 2012. The remaining work in the UK was confirmed done by our European and UK endorsers and we were good to go by Friday, May 4 2012.

There were two stress points: firstly, getting an agreement in place, and secondly, getting to England in a timely manner. Jetlag time was taken into account as well as drum practice, a drum practice room in the heart of Birmingham, accommodation, and travel arrangements were all in place to meet with any band rehearsals that may have transpired before the Birmingham show. So far everything that had been arranged was on my dime, but we didn’t move ahead without a realistic confirmation.

Communications between the representative and my lawyer continued through the weekend of May 5 finalizing on Wednesday, May 9. The offer we received on May 9 was, “come to the UK, play for free and see how the first show goes.” I was tempted. Playing for free would not have been a problem for me, but “seeing how the first show goes” left an element of risk which could have affected Download. My ideal thought was to play in full the Birmingham show, in full Download, and in full Lollapalooza.

I had notified the representative that May 10 was my cutoff day in order to have good lead-in time for England. On the night of May 9 I asked for a brief letter to be sent to the representative asking to find out if we were at an end. On the morning of Thursday, May 10, I received a reply in the affirmative. After consulting with my advisors and crew a decision was made to let go and stop.

I can’t prioritize the Sabbath fans making one show more important than the other. I can’t do that. All of you are important. It’s all the gigs or none at all. I can’t come to Birmingham and “see what happens” knowing there is a risk of not being able to play Download or Lollapalooza. Again, for me, it’s all or nothing. I had to say “no” to Birmingham on the principle of wanting to play all the shows. Saying no to Birmingham is very difficult for me. My family grew up in Birmingham. Black Sabbath grew up in Birmingham. It’s still my hometown and I resent having to arrive at such a difficult choice.

Although the statement was made that, “the door is always open” for me, as explained above, walking through that door is not always as easy as it sounds. There are many complicated issues and unseen and unspoken agendas on hand. I can assure you, my criteria for a “signable” contract is based in mindful principles, respectability, and acknowledgement of my history within the band.

I hold no malice or resentment towards the other band members. I love them; I’m tolerant of them; I’m frustrated with them, as they may be with me. My fight has never been with them. I’ll love them forever. In my opinion, nobody wins this time; the band doesn’t win; the fans for an original lineup don’t win. Nobody wins, nobody. Even the ones who thought they did.

I didn’t want to make this decision, but I have to be honest and transparent. This is the statement I didn’t want to write; it’s the last thing I wanted to do. But, I have written it, and now it can go into the universe.

Since Spring of 2011, I’ve waited patiently and hopefully for a signable contract, you know the rest. I stand for the boy in the U.K., for the coming drum student, for all the drummers, who write their parts out and get stiffed on the publishing, I stand with the Sabbath fans chanting “Bill Ward” and asking “why?” and I stand with Tony and Geezer and Ozzy.

On a final note, even though I’m at an end with the upcoming announced concerts, I will remain with an open mind and a position of willingness to negotiate “signable” terms with Sabbath’s representatives in the future.

Stay strong. Stay safe.

With all my heart and strength, I love you,

Bill Ward
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« Reply #25 on: May 16, 2012, 11:15:05 am »

oh crap....ok I understand....its just sucks..I feel for him and all others ..we all need to stand up for what we feel is  right and what is wrong..Haveing this ''come and play one show and then wait and see what happens''or even better play 3 songs and then let someone else play the rest of the set crap,I can understand where Bill feels ''exculded'',''Left out''.Seems like to me he was willing to meet just about every criteria they needed or wanted  ...waiting to the last minute to leave,paying for the trip from himself and his team,setting up an rehearsal room and still things didnot work out for him and Sabbath.I could see if Bill was an replacement dummer wanting to play with Sabbath,but shit he is one of the founding members of Sabbath and they throw at him ''you can play one gig and then wait and see what happens'' or play 3 songs and then go home kinda crap....I dont think I would want to take part in anything that I pour my life and heart and soul into just to become a part time fill in .....I guess


so...if Bill isnt playing,then who will play Drums for Sabbath at thses 3 dates?
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« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2012, 07:17:33 pm »

word was, once, that Vinnie Appice would be kind of his understudy, if he had any medical problems or limitations.  Bill has had a few heart attacks in the past.  but this is the first I've heard about the three song thing.  and no way would I drag my crap and my crew halfway around the world for "wait and see" games.

poor Bill.  and on his birthday weekend, too (May 5).  I still haven't bought Lollapalooza tickets.  we feel like boycotting.

one of his last lines is very telling . . . "I stand for the boy in the U.K., for the coming drum student, for all the drummers, who write their parts out and get stiffed on the publishing"

I wonder what the rest of the band has to say about this, minus their "representatives"?
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« Reply #27 on: May 17, 2012, 01:15:59 am »

yeah I agree what do the other members think and  don't they have any pull on this ...if they were gonna pull a Van Halen why did they start out with the original four...bet it was all cooperate suits lawyers...Shakespere and Eagles had it right ...kill all the lawyers and do it tonight....nuff said.... Angry Angry Angry
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« Reply #28 on: May 18, 2012, 08:38:47 pm »

tickets for Friday's show are officially sold out

(gets on the phone with her chiropractor)
Dude!  lets go out on your sailboat August 3rd!  we can hear the concert from the lake!
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« Reply #29 on: May 18, 2012, 11:55:44 pm »

You could always buy a ticket on eBay for $200+ !!!
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